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| Posted on 14-03-2006 23:59 |
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We've had a lot of talk thrown around of some of our members saying that the darker Batman is the more they like him. What does a dark Batman mean?
Should the comics be like the direct edition cover to Batman #515:
It looks better in person really. It is really dark though. Is that what you guys want out of your comics near black panels?
A lot of people around here seem to really favor the Timm/Dini animated Batman. I would actually consider that to be a lighter Batman than many other versions. Even the first few appearances of Robin were darker than a lot of the Batman: TAS stuff.
I don't mean to criticize any one's favorite version. I can usually find something great about every version over the past 67 years. I just want to see what you guys are really wanting out of Batman when you read the comics.
Should he exclusively fight supervillains or focus more on street crime? Batman is a big part of the DC Universe, should he be out there helping save the world, or as a loner in Gotham?
Personally, I prefer a balanced Batman between the grim and gritty Gotham streets and the saving the universe adventurer. Both have produced some excellent stories.
What do you guys think? Cite some story examples, if you can. We've had some great discussions on some of the best stuff from both sides.
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 00:45 |
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Well Im a little Sleepy right now to get to deep in it. But just for starters the only reason I have read DCs other comics is for Bats. I prefer reading only about bats , allys and his enemys. So I defantley like reading more on Gotham and the Bstman comics that almost ignore all the other DC heros. Then again I have Always been a 100% Die hard Bat Fan.
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inzo
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 00:55 |
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I look back and remember the great stories that came out of DC for all of the Batman
comics...:yes::yes::yes:
Now I just reread most of the books and wonder...:sighw::sighw::sighw:
Can the Batman books ever get any better then it was???:lol::lol::lol:
I sit here reading every other Bat Brothers responses to a new story they just read and
can feel the excitement in the words that are typed on the back issues they found, that I read 10 years ago... :bigrazz::bigrazz::bigrazz:
Now this is what a Bat Fan lives for...:p:p
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Darkestofknights
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 02:03 |
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::thebatman2:: I prefer a much darker Batman overall. Growing up I always had saw Batman as a happy go lucky guy. Never mad and much was never addressed about the reasoning as to why Batman was created.  Picture Batman in the Superfriends, on Scooby Doo, Adam West, and you have a guy always running around with a giant smile. That is not what Batman is about. He is about rage and conflict not only with the scum on the streets but he is also fighting his inner demons as well constantly. 
*jlbatman* I prefer a Batman who goes out there and kicks ass without taking any names. I want to see him get to the bat cave exhausted before sunrise while reaching for the Ben Gay in the medicine cab to rub on his shoulders from beating ass all night. Maybe powerwash his boots to get all the blood from the bottoms of his soul. The darker the better! ::batmanbeyond::
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Darknight
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 09:38 |
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Darkestofknights wrote:*jlbatman* I prefer a Batman who goes out there and kicks ass without taking any names. I want to see him get to the bat cave exhausted before sunrise while reaching for the Ben Gay in the medicine cab to rub on his shoulders from beating ass all night. Maybe powerwash his boots to get all the blood from the bottoms of his soul. The darker the better! ::batmanbeyond::
So you prefer this:
What about the detective aspect. Should he just be out there beating the crap out of people, or avoid violence when possible? It almost sounds like you want the Hulk in a batsuit. Do you think that Batman should cross the line and kill?
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 09:47 |
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you can see in batman's eyes.......insanity
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 14:29 |
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My favorite interpretation of Batman is the character as envisioned in the '70s, led by Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams. The character was returned to his roots as a dark avenger of the night. He was dark and serious, but he still had a sense of humor, and wasn't afraid to crack a smile on occasion. He definitely wasn't the borderline psychopath we see in All Star Batman. He truly was the world's greatest detective, and he usually bested his foes with his mind, rather than brute force. But when it came down to it, he was an unbeatable martial artist. This is the basis for the chracter as portrayed in the Timm/Dini animated series, and the excellent Batman Adventures/B&R Adv./Gotham Adv. comics. The character was close to this version following the whole Knightfall saga, particularly in Chuck Dixon's Detective Comics run. While I'm not averse to seeing different interpretations of the character, and I enjoy some of them a great deal, none of them have surpassed this version as myh all-time favorite.
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 14:34 |
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[/quote]What about the detective aspect. Should he just be out there beating the crap out of people, or avoid violence when possible? It almost sounds like you want the Hulk in a batsuit. Do you think that Batman should cross the line and kill?[/quote]
Oh I love the Detective aspect for sure! Always liked Sherlock homes and grew up with Mystery piece theater.
I for one am a big supporter of Capital Punishment and would very much like to See bats Take out a few scum bags here and there.
I love all aspects of the Bat except I just wish They would push his character to going that extra step and start becoming a little bit darker.
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Nate
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 15:08 |
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On the Knightfall issue, that was Azrael.
As for the dark Batman starting in Trokia, I felt they did that to be more in line with the Keaton Batman. And how quiet and dark he was. Gothic-like. Of course it was only for a while.
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Darkestofknights
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 15:55 |
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::thebatman2:: I liked the Batman cover with the 2x4 and nails. I do think Batman should investigate stuff and should kill if he must. It seems Gotham has a revolving door policy on criminals as like any other bid city. I'm abou 75% in favor of a quasi-evil Batman that kills.  ead:
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Darknight
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 17:40 |
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Nate wrote:
On the Knightfall issue, that was Azrael.
As for the dark Batman starting in Trokia, I felt they did that to be more in line with the Keaton Batman. And how quiet and dark he was. Gothic-like. Of course it was only for a while.
The Troika cover was more a joke than anything. It is all black, and you really can't get any darker than black.
Ironically the stories following Troika, particularly in the Batman title, were fantasy type stories with magic and sorcery. Not exactly fighting street crime. The art used dark colors and a pretty good use of shading. Is the art what really defines what you guys see as a "dark" story?
Yes that was Az-Bats, but it really exemplified DarkestofKnights wants. I really have to go with Drunken Fist that my favorite version is the O'Neil/Adams and Dixon version of Batman.
I recently read a bit of a discussion on Dixonverse about Batman's participation in the big DCU events and Chuck Dixon said that he sees that there are two versions of Batman, one that is in the universe saving stuff and another that is just in Gotham trying to keep the city from going down the tubes.
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 19:03 |
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Darkestofknights wrote:
::thebatman2:: I liked the Batman cover with the 2x4 and nails. I do think Batman should investigate stuff and should kill if he must. It seems Gotham has a revolving door policy on criminals as like any other bid city. I'm abou 75% in favor of a quasi-evil Batman that kills. ead:
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that defies everything batman stands for and everything he is. Thats why it'll never happen and if it does then it wont draw in much attention.
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| Posted on 15-03-2006 19:52 |
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i like the 70's batman. not too dark, not too happy. no signs of homosexuality(50's batman). it was the perfect batman. hopefully theyll decide to go back to this kind of batman some day.
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Darknight
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 09:52 |
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Phil wrote:
i like the 70's batman. not too dark, not too happy. no signs of homosexuality(50's batman). it was the perfect batman. hopefully theyll decide to go back to this kind of batman some day.
I think that that is what Grant Morrison is wanting to do when he takes over the Batman title in a few months. He sounds like he wants to return Batman to the Denny O'Neil era. Paul Dini is taking over Detective and his writing for Batman: TAS already showed those aspects. So it looks like you are getting your wish.
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 11:53 |
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I like the seventies Batman to a certain extent, because they show Batman as a dark conflicted, tortured soul, but he doesn't spend the whole adventure moaning about how he's getting older (really gets on my nerves, these days).
In my opinion, the Batman in Batman Begins is the ultimate Batman. Whether or not his story is the ultimate Batman story or origin isn't fair to say, because anything can be done to change it, whenever someone else wants to write the story.
The Batman in Batman Begins is really dark and tortured, but he would NEVER kill. He is strong, athlethic, smart and a detective (we do see him do detective work in one scene). He's also bad-ass when he's fighting and instills fear in his enemies. But he's not a complete grouch, either. He can inject some slight humour into his conversations with Alfred. He also wears a black suit that's actually fiercesome when seen in the dark. That's the Batman I like.
The Batman in the comics is borderline boring. He is getting 'too old for this' (even though he looks about 31). He never jokes, ever. He wears a blue and gray suit that might just scare a shy toddler.
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 13:03 |
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Best. Cover. Ever. Sorry guys, I can't help but laugh every time I see that cover. The expression they drew is totally priceless.
In all seriousness, I'm also with Drunken Fist. Check out the way they portray Batman in Green Lantern #9 (current issue): he's not a sociopath with no sense of humor, but he's not some grinning buffoon, either. He's a man with an unshakable resolve and incredible mental and physical skills, not someone with no room in his life for friends. |
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 17:42 |
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its too small eh, no wait its good now (holding magnifying glass to screen).
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 18:07 |
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XforeverXknightX wrote:
its too small eh, no wait its good now (holding magnifying glass to screen).
That is the same one that I posted above. He just didn't want to clutter up the board with the same big version of th picture over and over.
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 19:55 |
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| Posted on 16-03-2006 20:48 |
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great question DK!
honestly i like a darker batman as opposed to a light hearted one. i think the animated series did a good job of balancing the seriousness of the character with a bit of humor to it, which i guess is why as mentioned its consider one of the better takes on the character. but nw when i say darker i dont mean a total nutjob like the one we see in allstar right now, which is why i dropped the title actually. i think the batman i like best can be found in stories liek the long halloween. which actually answers your other question of who id liek him to combat. i think he should defnitiely deal with street crime and the mob, but of course he is a super hero and there are some sickos out there whom only he can handle. so again another balance. the way he mingles with superheros form other worlds with magical powers and yet can hold his own by being a human being has always been a great quality. also i think its worth mentioning that him being dark and brooding is what creates the great chemistry we find him sharking with superman whenever the world's finest join forces.
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