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| Posted on 08-06-2006 01:33 |
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DETECTIVE COMICS #820:
REVIEW:
Story: Gordon listens to why Batman thinks Harvey Dent didn't murder those villians as Batman & Robin are fighting the Thomas Wayne Batman and the Earth 2 Robin with Superboy-Prime thanks to Scarecrow's gas. But as the Dynamic Duo return to Gotham Police HQ, Two Face announces his return.
On the Jason Bard side of things: he subdues the hitman that killed Orca's husband. As he reports back to Batman, he sees the news on Two Face.
Here is the gearup to the finale of the arc that is the next issue. Two Face returned in the previous issue, you knew it and he knew it. Now in this one: EVERYONE KNOWS IT. Now this could destroy Batman's idea that Harvey did not do those crimes but his idea (& my theory) still stands out.
In this issue: Batman tells Gordon that after examining the gun, the screws were taken off and rescrewed back plus the prints of Harvey were placed on. Now the question is: who is framing Harvey? With the theory of Two Face doin' the crimes to get Harvey back in the "good olde' days" in my brain, I believe Two Face did all this. You would have to wonder why the title of this arc is "FACE THE FACE", as in Harvey's face FACE-ING Two Face. Make sense.
Now that the Crisis happened, even the current DCU knows the multiverse and the differences of even themsleves and the world they live. Due to Scarecrow's gas: Batman fights the Thomas Wayne Batman. The whole thing behind his dad as the caped crusader was that around the '40s and '50s, Batman remembered that his dad wore a bat costume on one halloween night and thus would be one of the influences he had becomin Batman. And Robin fought two people: first was Earth 2 Robin, which fought defending Gotham alongside Earth 2 Huntress after Batman of Earth 2 died. And finally; he fought Superboy-Prime. How he fought him leads more into what Batman's plans for Robin (I'll get back to you on that) as Robin did not do anything in the killing part of fighting, he just fought him. Nothing more, nothing less. Proving he can control his anger.
Also, on Scarecrow: talk about a Batman Begins reference. His design is that of the Cillian Murphy Scarectrow from the movie. I wonder if they did that for fun, or its related to the New Earth result of the end of Infinite Crisis, I don't know. I thought it was a good thing pointing out.
As for Batman's plans for Robin: what happened in this issue? He told Robin he had plans for him....that's it. Not much but at least he knows. And Batman said he wants to talk about it after the Harvey thing is taken care of. With only one more issue to go, we will FINALLY know what will he has in store.
Also, we have development on one of the new cops in Gotham: Harper. Batman found out she is the grandniece of the Guardian from the Golden Age. And something he kinda avoided in Detective Comics #817: he greets her and tells her its nice to have her in Gotham. Why he didn't do that when he returned is on my mind: one reason is prolly THE reason is that he was light now but when he returned he wanted to still make the same impression that he was still dark Batman and nothing lighter, and less of a dick. So that might have been the case.
Overall; this was a good issue. Now one more issue to go to finish the run and all our questions will be answered!
RATING: 8/10
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
- Batman - The Dark Knight Returns
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spencer1984
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| Posted on 08-06-2006 09:35 |
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I really liked the writing in this issue: the way Batman talked to Harper and Tim, it sounds like Bruce has really done some soul searching during his year away. He's not the "jerk Batman" as he has beenportrayed in the past, but the writer(s) didn't make him a happy-go-lucky parody of himself, either. The dialogue sounds genuinely like a man that is trying to be a better person.
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Kal-EL
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| Posted on 08-06-2006 15:26 |
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I've said it from since the beginining of BATMAN : OYL. Tim is becoming more and more like Bruce. I have a feeling that Bruce wants Tim to take over as BATMAN . [That What he ment about {I want to discuss about your Future} also I believe Bruce wants time to become his heir To The Wayne family fortune .
I really like this Bruce Wayne, He's still The Badass BATMAN, but you can tell he's different .
I also liked that they added BB style Scarecrow, too - that was a nice touch.
Badass, He scared The crap out of Crane . ::comicbatsymbol::
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Phil
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| Posted on 08-06-2006 19:08 |
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am i seeing what im seeing??? tim drake has a nightwing mask! just like how i drew him!! awesome. im loving batman: oyl. robin has become more...important i guess.
im loving this team up. so old skool, yet it feels fresh.
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Nate
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| Posted on 28-06-2006 18:56 |
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BATMAN #654:
REVIEW:
Story: Harvey is now Two Face again and he has taken control of Gotham Zoo. The hostages includes the people who work there at night and animals. Batman & Robin head on to stop him, while feeling guilt, Batman knows he's innocent. After some beat downs, Batman finally confronts the real man who framed Harvey and tells his proposal to Tim.
The finale is here. Its hard to do finales to storylines in comics. This is a final confronation tied to an epilogue of the story. What Robinson decided to do with this arc was tell a true detective, mystery story featuring Batman. The ending has a sherlock holmes/Law & Order: Criminal Intent feel when he confronts the real killer. Now I could be saying this because of this arc and this may have happened before and I just don't remember so bear with me.
Now I know what peole want to know first from this finale so I'll do that first. What is Bruce's plan for Tim: well its what everyone thought it would be. Bruce wants to adopt Tim as his ward since he has no family anymore, and while Bruce himself converted a stable to be Tim's new home , since they are a family and a team, he wants to adopt him so he won't be alone forever. But he can't do that if he wants, he wants to hear if Tim wants to be a ward and asks him. Tim's answer...its a yes. Is this a problem? I don't think so. Bruce Wayne after Infinite Crisis is a changed man. Not a dick anymore. Having Tim Drake as a ward is a good idea since Bruce knows he die this to Dick Grayson, worked out well but the darker times were kicking in and seperated the connection. He probably wants to fix that, number one. And two: he wants to help Tim to have a family again after he loss his father and his friend due to the Crisis.
Him being a changed man has been shown throughout this arc and other OYLs (ex. Robin). Before IC, if he thought Havey did these crimes, he would've stayed on that to the very end, not even for a second thinking otherwise. And then be pisted off that he was wrong. Now; he knew Harvey didn't do it and just what: he was right. Yet, he has some guilt if he had done it which he didn't (pointed out by Robin, another reason why he needs him).
And who was the real culprit? At first we all thought it was Two Face doing the crimes to force Harvey back, thought I did, but it wasn't the case. It was someone else and we didn't have ANY clue whatsoever that it was this guy. The real culprit was Warren White aka The Great White Shark. Reason? He was one of those guys who would ruin people's lives. But he didn't have anythign against Dent at first. He has been setting up to be Gotham's new Crime Boss from Arkham. Something that even made Penguin leave. He had business with the villians that apepared in this arc but Dent was in their way as he was stopping them from moving. To counter this, Warren White hired Tally Man to kill and frame Dent. Thus making Dent believe he was the killer and losing trust with Batman that made him become Two Face.
THAT was unexpected. And I'am sorry if that spoiled you.
Overall; this was a good issue. A new villian, return of an old one, and finally a new beginning for Tim Drake's life as this is a new beginning for Batman & Robin. With this issue, Batman OYL is over and its time to move on from that. This was a great start for new readers and it worked out well.
For those who didn't get these issues, then get the TPB.
RATING: 9/10
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
- Batman - The Dark Knight Returns
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| Posted on 29-06-2006 09:26 |
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It was really cool to see the return of the Great Whhite Shark. Ever since he debuted in the Arkham Asylum: Living Hell miniseries, I wondered if he would be used. The whole miniseries introduced him, and then it took 3 years to have him actually doing something.
I wonder how many people are going to be angry that the main villain in the series was one introduced in a miniseries and never seen again.
Living Hell is a good story though. The promo line was that you don't plead insanity in Gotham City, and Warren White is about to find out why.
The basic story is that Warren was a successful business man who ripped off a lot of people through corporate fraud (think Enron). The media called him the "Great White Shark" because of his tenacity in business. To avoid a prison sentence he pleads insanity and is sent to Arkham.
Things are not so easy in the Asylum, and he meets Batman's worst enemies. He eventually gets really messed up mentally and physically becoming the Great White Shark.
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Nate
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| Posted on 29-06-2006 13:01 |
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I didn't know he existed in the comics. I checked the web and didn't find him so I thought he was new.
You don't get it, boy... this isn't a mudhole... it's an operating table.
(crack!)
And I'm the surgeon.
- Batman - The Dark Knight Returns
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| Posted on 30-06-2006 09:56 |
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I was surprised to see that the main villian was Perry, but it was nice to see that the character wasn't forgotten entirely. I thought his role in Living Hell was well done (and somewhat gruesome, considering Perry's transformation in Mr. Freeze's cell), and he definitely fits the role as a new crime boss
I thought the overall OYL story was great, hopefully they will keep up the momentum. |
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