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| Posted on 26-01-2008 23:31 |
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I wonder what the effect will be not only on the film, but the merchandise. Will The Joker figures even be released at this point? If they are released will the eBay Scalpers grab them and run the price up?
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| Posted on 26-01-2008 23:43 |
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I think the figures and stuff will be ok, my one dissapontment as far as merchandizing goes is that we'll have to hear a crumby sound-alike in the Video Game.
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 09:00 |
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Thats right i didnt think of that....man that sucks, i was looking forward to this Video Game...
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 09:11 |
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Maybe they can get Mark Hamill? He would be my choice..
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 09:54 |
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Chris wrote:
Maybe they can get Mark Hamill? He would be my choice..
Why would you pick him? Hamill did an effeminate bad guy voice, he was to ogofy and he doesn't have the range to carry it off, and he'd just sound like BTAS Joker and nothing like TDK Joker, who has an amazing voice.
Sorry Hamill fans, but IMO he would just be another cheap faker.
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 20:06 |
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hammil's not cheap. lol.
the joker in BTAS, TB, and TDK all sound way too different for them to interchange. i think they're probably gonna have to get a good impressionist.
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 22:06 |
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Hamill defined The Joker for modern toons. Remember, he did the voice for The Joker in The Birds Of Prey pilot, and he sounded nothing like the animated one.. so he could do it..
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 22:38 |
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Razhwurz wrote:
I think the figures and stuff will be ok, my one dissapontment as far as merchandizing goes is that we'll have to hear a crumby sound-alike in the Video Game.
There was no guarantee that Heath would have done the voice in the video game anyways, right? Besides, if they wanted to I bet they could sample Heath’s voice from the film and put it in the game.
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| Posted on 27-01-2008 23:20 |
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ur right its not like they havent done that in other games. but they change the batman games alot just adding addithonal content so mabey not. unless they make it so joker dosent talk during his parts that arent in the movie.
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 09:05 |
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I thought Hamil was the definitive Joker for years. There was no one else who could've pulled off Joker as well he did. Well at least until Heath Ledger came in. |
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 12:13 |
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Ok, sorry, I phrased that all wrong. In regards to Heath's Joker, Hamill would be a cheap replacment.
Also, as far as the deffinitive Joker goes,if you go back and watch BTAS now that we're all grown up you gotta admit Hamill's Joker was really, really campy.
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 12:35 |
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FlaBat wrote:
There was no guarantee that Heath would have done the voice in the video game anyways, right? Besides, if they wanted to I bet they could sample Heath’s voice from the film and put it in the game.
That's what I'd suggest doing. Keep the plot of the game close enough to the movie to successfully use clips of Heath from the movie, or deleted scenes from the movie, in the game. |
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 13:22 |
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Razhwurz wrote:
Ok, sorry, I phrased that all wrong. In regards to Heath's Joker, Hamill would be a cheap replacment.
Also, as far as the deffinitive Joker goes,if you go back and watch BTAS now that we're all grown up you gotta admit Hamill's Joker was really, really campy.
He wasn't campy, he was The Joker for the time. Out of the Animated shows, when you here Joker, you think TAS.
Live action, you think Nicolson (until this summer)
So, Hamill was not campy, he was doing the part the way Timm had invisioned it. Look at ROTJ, that is anyhting BUT Campy...
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 14:04 |
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Chris wrote:
Razhwurz wrote:
Ok, sorry, I phrased that all wrong. In regards to Heath's Joker, Hamill would be a cheap replacment.
Also, as far as the deffinitive Joker goes,if you go back and watch BTAS now that we're all grown up you gotta admit Hamill's Joker was really, really campy.
He wasn't campy, he was The Joker for the time. Out of the Animated shows, when you here Joker, you think TAS.
Live action, you think Nicolson (until this summer)
So, Hamill was not campy, he was doing the part the way Timm had invisioned it. Look at ROTJ, that is anyhting BUT Campy...
simply put, hamill is the best cartoon joker of all time.
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 14:08 |
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Chris wrote:
So, Hamill was not campy, he was doing the part the way Timm had invisioned it. Look at ROTJ, that is anyhting BUT Campy...
Have you seen BTAS lately? "You killed Captain Clown!". All he does is tell stupid jokes and pull pranks on Batman. Sorry dude, he's campy in BTAS. Now in RotJ he kind of went up to Nicholson's level of darkness; but still if you present a villian whose main purpose is to make the audience laugh with cheasy jokes, that's campy.
Now he was the best cartoon Joker, but as villian he just didn't cut it for me. They put so much emphasis on the "Joke" in Joker that he became a completely benign, unmenacing character.
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| Posted on 28-01-2008 14:29 |
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The "campiness" of Hamill's Joker varies according to the particular episode (and that episodes writer). Some are VERY dark and he is scary in his level of homicidal maniac. In others, he is pretty campy (like in the one where he kidnapped Jordan Hill).
What we remember are our favorite evil Joker ones and the more campy silly Joker ones.
When one remembers that B:TAS was moving viewers from decades of VERY campy Batman cartoon versions to a MUCH darker animated one, the campy episodes can be more forgiven. By comparison to Superfriends or the Batman/Scooby Doo episodes, even the "campy" B:TAS ones are rather dark.
Now, we are looking BACK at Joker versions done after B:TAS that took the darker Joker and built on THAT. So, the B:TAS one looks more campy than the ones that followed.
I would argue that the B:TAS one is what made the modern dark Joker versions "acceptable" to the general audience and erased:
as the one everyone imitated.
Hamill's Joker (and the 1989 one) made Heath's possible.
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| Posted on 29-01-2008 19:46 |
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yeah well i dont think hamell was that campy more like creepy campy
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| Posted on 29-01-2008 21:18 |
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Remember you can't expect the Joker to be scary and completely evil in a children's television show. Writers have to tone down the character in order to get accepted by the FCC and company executives. The Animated Series got away with a LOT but still had make sure it was friendly enough for kids to enjoy. Of course you'll think the Hamil's Joker is kind of ridiculous now but that's because the show is no longer aimed at your age. You're not part of the target audience anymore.
Hamil's Joker wasn't campy. Sure he had a sense of humor but it wasn't just for laughs or pranks. He had a purpose and that was to get rid of Batman. While you're complaining about "Captain Clown," don't you remember the gas that was meant to drive people insane? Every "joke" on Batman was a clever trap designed to kill. |
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| Posted on 29-01-2008 22:47 |
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I'm not saying he wasn't good for the show, I'm not saying he wasn't a good cartoon Joker... And even as a character he made a great cartoon character. But still, I can't call him a deffinitive Joker because he just was to campy to be a serious villain... There are really only a few episode where you can think of him as anything more than a nuisance.
And the gas that made people crazy didn't harm people, it just incapacitated them so Joker could steal stuff.
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| Posted on 30-01-2008 05:09 |
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Well in the show he was restricted b/c of the directed age group so i know what you mean. I'd have to say the one thing he did do as a cartoon joker that wasnt as campy was Batman Begins Return of the Joker. I personaly think he would be good for the game, Heath much better, but Hamill a good back up. Im sure the cartoon isnt the only thing he can do.
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